The Fight Begins: Greg Norman And The Saudis Simply Won't Go Away - Dog Leg News

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Tom Edrington spent the first 10 years of his misguided youth as a sports writer for the Tampa Tribune. His career brought him face to face with many of sports greatest stars -- Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, Muhammad Ali, Don Shula, countless Hall of Fame NFL stars, more PGA Tour players than he can count. In 1980 he was honored by the Golf Writers Association of America for writing the best news story that year, his coverage of Jack Nicklaus' U.S. Open victory at Baltusrol. Today, 36 years later, golf is still a great part of his life, thanks to competitive playing days and the wonderful people he has met on this fabulous journey.

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    baxter cepeda

    I watched Manassero and GCs day 1 coverage of this Asian tour event no different than Jordan at Pebble and all those no name players at the DP World tour even this week…And was very excited to see Manassero, whom I consider a Rose, Sergio, Cam Smith kinda player, meaning high quality, show signs of coming out of his dreadful slump.

    I’m watching day 2 as I write, looking forward to see if the Italian can keep it up. Meanwhile Watching Phil looking quite relevant.

    There’s a lot to agree with you Tom. But there’s also a lot to agree with Phil and Greg.

    This is about power and money, no doubt. And there’s some serious human rights issues to consider. But as I’ve said before that argument is getting played out in a world where money talks.

    Here’s the thing about growing the game: This kingdom is clearly using golf to grow its image, development, tourism, and future economy.

    Eventually unbelievable development will engulf this course and others. Once that happens more and more ex pats will be there and will attend the event, the way they do in Dubai and elsewhere. As that happens little by little golf amongst the Saudis will very slowly grow. So there you go, growing the game.

    They did mention in the coverage they have development goals for golf specifically and planned initiatives to grow participation in the sport from nationals and visitors to this country.

    Greg is trying to be cool. The fact is his league would bring more money to the sport, also more people to the game. And It seems Norman wants to work with the established tours so it works for everyone.

    Yes, The established tours would lose key players for tournaments but that would also be there for others. It seems Greg is saying this league will not inflict on key events for the regular tours and majors.

    Regardless. Personally I wouldn’t stop watching The Sony because the few big names at that tournament aren’t there. A few years ago Sony had Jordan, JT and the pack. When they stopped visiting Honolulu the prize money didn’t go down. People didn’t stop attending and watching.

    For me the key in all this is scheduling. The Saudi league needs to be transparent and clear when and where players would be needed. From that the pga tour and the other tours can negotiate the schedule, but ultimately strategically prepare their schedule so as top players can attend a good number of their events, especially the best events on their tours, and of course the playoffs (which the pga tour still need fixing but this isn’t about that).

    Now, to the Saudis, 135$ mill for Bryson sounds like a lot but in a sports world where Mahomes was given half a billion for a decade —to play 20 days a year in a mostly domestic sport — it’s really not. Especially since these golfers would need to travel to God knows where.

    To get a Rory type player it’s gonna take north of a quarter billion. Tiger may be half a billion. Phil may be negotiating hard with the pga tour but could probably play his cards better with the Saudis.

    Anyhow, make no mistake, even the guys whom already said no, like Rory, can still be given a deal they cannot refuse. Especially if they can still play the majors and their favorite pga tour events.

    All I know is, if I have to go to some app or some website, or some streaming service to watch this new league, I’ll stick to what I’m doing with my golf channel. Big names or not.

    But even if the Saudi league seamlessly adds itself to the Golf channel schedule, I’ll still watch the other tours.

    The way Matteo had been playing the last year or so I’m not sure the Saudis would have called him. So even if that league was going strong today, I would still be watching Manassero wherever the DP world tour is this week.

    And where else am I gonna watch Hootie play golf if not at the Atnt. At Pebble, It doesn’t even matter who’s playing. I’m still watching it.

    This really can work, for me at least.

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      Tom Edrington

      Sadly for you, Matteo vanished….again, no stars are going to join that league, it won’t happen….you won’t see a Rory or a Tiger, or anyone of note for that matter. Sorry, not happening, just like Matteo vanishing from the leaderboard…..you lost credibility comparing Matteo to Rose and Cam Smith……an insult to Rose and Smith….

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    baxter cepeda

    Manassero is the youngest ever to win the British Am—finishing 13th at the Open later that year — and youngest to win on the DP world tour at 16, – tour he has 4 wins.
    He has as much pedigree as those guys. He has struggled mightily of late, which is a shame, but seems to be finding his way back slowly.

    Again, IMO, all the tours should want to work together to pump this new money into the sport without sacrificing the old money that has been coming in. I love the pga tour. But forever is a long time to dominate anything. Eventually the pga tour will have to adjust to a changing landscape, and it just may be happening now. If not, we would not be talking PIP and waivers and so on.

    As for the players, let’s focus on the big 3 of today:

    Rory said he would never be in the Olympics and then was.

    Phil is clearly interested.

    But the big cat is ultimately what matters right?
    Tiger showed loyalty for the pga tour. But if Tiger can play the 4 majors, it’s reasonable he would take half a billion to play 10 times a year or so wherever they want him to.

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      Tom Edrington

      Nope, no Tiger…..he hates long flights and so does his body…..you sound like Greg Norman, Baxter……maybe they’ll offer you %10 million to be the league-that-won’t-happen’s PR guy.

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        baxter cepeda

        I’ll take it.
        But really I’m just a little further ahead than you thinking this will never happen. It’s still a long shot but it can happen.

        The reason it can is because This is potentially billions of dollars pumped into golf at the highest level. We know These pga Tour pros are scared of anything new but eventually they adapt, as they have with the fed ex cup, the Olympics and more.

        We’re talking billions here. Make no mistake all the players may be scared to pull the trigger first but they are all listening very carefully. Even the guys like Rory who said no thanks right away have to have heard things from Phil and others lately to at least make them stop and listen some more. Because clearly the more the players listen the more millions are thrown at them.

        As for Phil and his suspension. We really don’t know do we? Phil could have been fined or quietly suspended for some of those issues but we know the tour does not disclose such issues.

        Phil didn’t say anything when he was on the player council because there wasn’t someone trying to give players billions of dollars then. There is now.

        Look I absolutely love the pga tour. I would change some courses but just love that tour, spend countless hours on it. But things change in life, and the pga tour is no exception. The pga tour may survive all this, but thanks to the Saudis many things will have to change for the pga tour to keep the status quo.

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          Tom Edrington

          Won’t happen because European Tour will get with its member countries — only venues would be Saudi Arabia and Asia……as I said before, these guys would be players without a country…..you think PHil would give up Ryder Cup captaincy and let Tiger have the last word? Quite simply, to achieve this “team concept” they’d have to have a LOT of players and these guys have no interest in “team golf” — it’s tough enough to get them together for something like the Ryder Cup. Won’t happen.

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    baxter cepeda

    I’ve never been big on the team golf concept. I believe they would eventually mostly scratch that team concept.

    This is about where can players make the most money? Obviously the Saudis would have to pay a lot more money.
    But keep in mind Phil has made less than 100$ million playing over 30 years on the pga tour while Mahomes will make half a billion in his first 10 playing nfl football 20 days a year. 200 days world for half a billion. Good work if you can get it.

    I believe all the threats from the establishment would eventually subside is players are on the same page. If the established organizations allow Players would still be able to play the majors, Ryder cups etc. As Norman said, they are respectful of the current landscape. Normans group seems to want to give players even more prosperous regular event options without effecting the big stuff.
    Like I’ve said, everyone can work together to bring in these billions of dollars.
    It’s not going to be easy. It may not happen. But it’s on the table for a reasons. The pga tour keeps changing giving more and more money for a reason.

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      Tom Edrington

      You make money based on world rankings, as far as endorsement cash goes….pretty simple concept, that’s why they bought the ASIAN Tour, at least there were world ranking points at Saudi Invitational…..unless they got great players, world ranking points would fade and so would outside income….yes, Phil made “only” about $100 million but it’s that other $600-700 million that counts most…..I don’t think too many of our American sponsors are on board with the Saudis given their state of human rights.

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